Comments on: Comment on another blog regarding time and timelessness http://www.reason42.com/2009/02/28/comment-on-another-blog-regarding-time-and-timelessness/ The more I know the less I understand - Tao Le Ching Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:04:15 +0200 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.1 hourly 1 By: mikereflects http://www.reason42.com/2009/02/28/comment-on-another-blog-regarding-time-and-timelessness/comment-page-1/#comment-1774 mikereflects Sun, 01 Mar 2009 17:22:15 +0000 http://www.reason42.com/?p=62#comment-1774 Adam I like your illustration of time passing being like a trip from the north pole accross the surface of the globe. So looking back you cant go any further North than the pole, being like looking at the beginning of time. So when you are at the pole or at any position on your jouney there was always an orthagonal (vertical) dimension and I guess the timeless dimension (that I espouse to) is well illustrated by this concept - the timeless dimension is always orthogonal to time. mike Adam
I like your illustration of time passing being like a trip from the north pole accross the surface of the globe. So looking back you cant go any further North than the pole, being like looking at the beginning of time.

So when you are at the pole or at any position on your jouney there was always an orthagonal (vertical) dimension and I guess the timeless dimension (that I espouse to) is well illustrated by this concept – the timeless dimension is always orthogonal to time.
mike

]]> By: reason42 http://www.reason42.com/2009/02/28/comment-on-another-blog-regarding-time-and-timelessness/comment-page-1/#comment-1772 reason42 Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:48:42 +0000 http://www.reason42.com/?p=62#comment-1772 Hi Mike, just spotted this course: <a href="http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/details.php?id=O08P144PHR" rel="nofollow">http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/details.php?id=O08P144PHR</a> . Does time really flow? Are statements about the future are true or false now, or will they only become true or false? How are ‘real time’ and ‘fictional time’ related? Does it make sense to talk of the ‘creation of time’? Speakers: Dr. Craig Bourne and Dr. Robin Le Poidevin. . I might do it, if I can get the time! (again, bad pun, sorry) Hi Mike, just spotted this course:
http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/details.php?id=O08P144PHR
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Does time really flow? Are statements about the future are true or false now, or will they only become true or false? How are ‘real time’ and ‘fictional time’ related? Does it make sense to talk of the ‘creation of time’? Speakers: Dr. Craig Bourne and Dr. Robin Le Poidevin.
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I might do it, if I can get the time! (again, bad pun, sorry)

]]> By: reason42 http://www.reason42.com/2009/02/28/comment-on-another-blog-regarding-time-and-timelessness/comment-page-1/#comment-1771 reason42 Sun, 01 Mar 2009 15:42:37 +0000 http://www.reason42.com/?p=62#comment-1771 Hi Mike, Pun partly intended, I don't have the time right now to give you a fully considered answer. (I have an essay to do which I'm already late on). I'll also check out your 'ARGUMENT FOR EXISTENCE OF A BENEVOLENT, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT, ALMIGHTY CREATOR GOD. PART 1' <a href="http://religious-tolerance.blogspot.com/2009/02/argument-for-existence-of-benevolent.html" rel="nofollow">http://religious-tolerance.blogspot.com/2009/02/argument-for-existence-of-benevolent.html</a> It will be fun! In 2007 I did Philosophy of Religion (short course) at Oxford Uni. Here it is: <a href="http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/details.php?id=O08P378PHV" rel="nofollow">http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/details.php?id=O08P378PHV</a> So I am armed and ready for battle (after I complete my essay!) Hi Mike,

Pun partly intended, I don’t have the time right now to give you a fully considered answer. (I have an essay to do which I’m already late on).

I’ll also check out your ‘ARGUMENT FOR EXISTENCE OF A BENEVOLENT, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT, ALMIGHTY CREATOR GOD. PART 1′

http://religious-tolerance.blogspot.com/2009/02/argument-for-existence-of-benevolent.html

It will be fun!

In 2007 I did Philosophy of Religion (short course) at Oxford Uni.
Here it is: http://www.conted.ox.ac.uk/courses/details.php?id=O08P378PHV

So I am armed and ready for battle (after I complete my essay!)

]]> By: mikereflects http://www.reason42.com/2009/02/28/comment-on-another-blog-regarding-time-and-timelessness/comment-page-1/#comment-1765 mikereflects Sun, 01 Mar 2009 05:35:09 +0000 http://www.reason42.com/?p=62#comment-1765 Hi Adam Yes I agree it is virtually impossible for us to think outside of the box of time! But we can try! I have tried to help people to conceptualise the notion of timelessness (see part 1 of my essay on proof for the existence of God - blog Mikereflects) by reference to Einstein’s insight about time varying in speed. I am given to understand by his theory that ‘time’ itself could slow down to zero and even go in and out of existence in different parts of the universe. This being so then it follows that timelessness must coexist with time. Hi Adam
Yes I agree it is virtually impossible for us to think outside of the box of time! But we can try! I have tried to help people to conceptualise the notion of timelessness (see part 1 of my essay on proof for the existence of God – blog Mikereflects) by reference to Einstein’s insight about time varying in speed. I am given to understand by his theory that ‘time’ itself could slow down to zero and even go in and out of existence in different parts of the universe. This being so then it follows that timelessness must coexist with time.

]]> By: reason42 http://www.reason42.com/2009/02/28/comment-on-another-blog-regarding-time-and-timelessness/comment-page-1/#comment-1759 reason42 Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:58:13 +0000 http://www.reason42.com/?p=62#comment-1759 Hello Mike! Good to hear from you again. Becoming a father is one of the greatest pleasures I've ever experienced. We had a girl, by the way! Regarding timelessness - there can be no 'before' time so there can be no timelessness. As far as I understand time, time has always been. Or, if you say something like: "There was no time *then* there was time". The transition between the two is a temporal notion, so using words like 'then' and 'was' and 'before' confuses what you are trying to say about the origin of time. Perhaps the real problem is that our language cannot cope with such a concept. What do you think? Adam Hello Mike! Good to hear from you again.

Becoming a father is one of the greatest pleasures I’ve ever experienced. We had a girl, by the way!

Regarding timelessness – there can be no ‘before’ time so there can be no timelessness. As far as I understand time, time has always been.

Or, if you say something like: “There was no time *then* there was time”.

The transition between the two is a temporal notion, so using words like ‘then’ and ‘was’ and ‘before’ confuses what you are trying to say about the origin of time. Perhaps the real problem is that our language cannot cope with such a concept.

What do you think?
Adam

]]> By: mikereflects http://www.reason42.com/2009/02/28/comment-on-another-blog-regarding-time-and-timelessness/comment-page-1/#comment-1757 mikereflects Sat, 28 Feb 2009 18:40:19 +0000 http://www.reason42.com/?p=62#comment-1757 Adam I did not actually use the words 'before time' but I take your point that I have not been clear on this. My point is that since timelessness is the absence of time, and time had a beginning, then it follows that time and timelessness coexist. I like your paradox, but life is a paradox! Congratulations on being a dad! kind regards Mike Adam
I did not actually use the words ‘before time’ but I take your point that I have not been clear on this. My point is that since timelessness is the absence of time, and time had a beginning, then it follows that time and timelessness coexist. I like your paradox, but life is a paradox! Congratulations on being a dad! kind regards Mike

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